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Wednesday, 7 March 2012

Greece and gold on Thursday 8 March

National, regional and global events are difficult to understand in their own right let alone slot into a gold price forecast.

This BBC explanation of the Greek debt crisis says the crucial deal needed with private bond holders is due this (March 8) evening. If less than 90% of bond holders agree to it then we should expect further delays and extra drama as Greece contemplates enacting a compulsory version of the deal - which could trigger default insurance policies (credit default swaps). But something has to happen soon as a big payment is due on March 20.

This morning (1am) gold was around $1,684 per ounce and £1,071 in sterling. This slight gain over Tuesday's and Wednesday's lows was down to positive feelings about the Greek deal. Reuters reported Bill O'Neill, partner at commodities investment firm LOGIC Advisors, saying: "Gold is up because there is growing evidence that there will not be a hard default in Greece."

Will that sentiment hold through tomorrow?

In the same Reuters piece Suki Cooper at Barclays  Capital said: "Although the macro environment is still very gold-supportive, in the nearer term it's going to be the physical market and whether that enables prices to consolidate enough so that investment demand can retake the reins."

Most analysts quoted in this BullionVault piece also say gold is still more likely to fall further.

It quotes UBS analyst Edel Tully saying physical buyers needed "in size... otherwise further downside seems inevitable". Axel Rudolph at Commerzbank saying "further weakness to be seen in the coming months, taking gold towards the $1,600/$1,500 region."

Today total buys for PHAU on the London Stock Exchange were around £8.3 million and sales were £13.3 million compared to yesterday's £13.6 million-worth of buys and £23.1 million of sales.

Before the outcome of the private bond deal investors will have the MPC rate setting and the ECB rate and press conference. And on Friday there  are the US non farm payrolls.

Brad Zigler on increasing correlation between stocks and gold.

Thursday, 8 December 2011

Gold will lose whatever happens on Friday...

I haven't bothered cutting back any of my gold holdings because I have absolutely no idea what to expect tomorrow.

(Update: latest from Jim Sinclair said Bloomberg published an article about central bank activity to control the price of gold today. I had a quick look at Bloomberg gold related stories available for free and found this one on gold lending rates but I'm not sure if it's what he meant. Anyway it's interesting and gives context to comments about gold lending below.)

My lack of comprehension exists on almost every level. At the moment it appears that if the news is good gold will fall and if the news is bad... gold will fall... but either way gold prices will rise...

It would be nice to know even what the variables are that need to be watched, there seem to be a few. The strength of the dollar is the key but there are other bits and pieces and I have tried to work out a handful of randomly selected reports have been saying.

In this piece in The Street some of the variables affecting the gold price today were set out:


ECB cut interest rates (Good for gold? "If the rate cut is seen as helping the Eurozone, gold could rise with the euro, but if it is seen as devaluing the currency, both assets could head lower.")

ECB lent almost $51 billion to European banks for 84 days by swapping euros for dollars with the Federal Reserve. (Good for gold? If it means stress in the system that's good for gold... unless gold was lent to cover the borrowing which would mean more gold in the supply chain which would push down the price of gold - according to James Steel, analyst at HSBC.)

From Bloomberg piece on gold lending mentioned above, two other analysts:

"European banks especially are having liquidity funding problems, which does see a lot of lending of gold and that’s putting downward pressure on lease rates,” Walter de Wet, head of commodities research at Standard Bank Plc in London


“It is quite typical of this time of year that banks look to offload metal in an effort to reduce their balance sheet,” Edel Tully, an analyst at UBS AG in London,



The Euro weak, the dollar strong...
"gold quickly reversed directions after Draghi said that sovereign bond purchases would be limited... the euro tanked on the news which dragged on gold."

Mark O'Byrne analyst at GoldCore said: "If there is some kind of success declared in Europe on Friday, O'Byrne says it might result in gold prices falling in the short term, but longer term any action won't solve the debt crisis."

I don't know who Michael Paulenoff is but he's got a much better CV than me and he sounded like his charts were telling him lots of different stories too - but it's interesting.

"There still remains risk of a negative reacton to the Euro-zone Summit plan, which could send gold into another nosedive next week. That said, gold has climbed $45 off of Tuesday's pivot low at $1701.98, a rally that exhibits bullish form, which if accurate provides clues that a new upleg could be in progress."

I still haven't got around to investigating this charting stuff but aim to at some point soon.

Forbes offered more charting witchcraft talk via Jim Wyckoff:

"Bulls do still have the slight overall near-term technical advantage. A 10-week-old uptrend is still in place on the daily bar chart, but now just barely. Bulls’ next upside technical breakout objective is to produce a close above solid technical resistance at last week’s high of $1,767.10. Bears’ next near-term downside price objective is closing prices below psychological support at $1,700.00. First resistance is seen at $1,725.00 and then at $1,750.00. First support is seen at this week’s low of $1,705.70 and then at $1,700.00. Wyckoff’s Market Rating: 5.5." (According to expofutures.com "Wyckoff’s Market Rating System is based on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 being the most bearish market rating and 10 being the most bullish market rating. Thenumber 5 would be a neutral rating. And it is not uncommon to see fractions used – like 1.5, 3.5, etc. – if conditions warrant."

And: "Importantly, markets that have been in sideways trading ranges for a while – i.e., non-trending and then move to either a rating of 5.5 or 6 on an upside price move, or to 4.5 or 4 on a downside move are the most critical to monitor. It’s at these ratings levels that most trading “set ups” occur, based on Jim’s trading philosophy and experience. But remember, the market has to have been trading generally sideways beforehand.")

As far as I can tell this means that gold bulls need gold to get a closing price above $1,767.10 - last week's high. The bears hope gold will fall below $1,700. But no one knows who or what is going to happen whether the news is good or bad... which probably means nothing much will happen.

Wyckoff suggests Draghi's comments meant nothing much would happen tomorrow as they effectively "threw cold water on hopes there would be some big announcement on fixing the EU debt crisis coming out of the EU summit meeting late this week."

So gold fell today. This Google chart shows that any gains made later in the day by UK gold ETFs will have been neutralised by another jump in the dollar index - here seen against GLD which is still trading. I don't know what set that off, )




My two gold investments look like this...

But the BlackRock fund will certainly be down now. It would have been priced at midday before share prices started falling on the FTSE 100. Whatever that price was, it doesn't seem to update on the Hargreaves site until midnight. But judging by the share price movements of its top 10 holdings, it will be down in spirit if not in actual price....